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Fluoride Officially Classified As A Neurotoxin In World’s Top Medical Journals
http://awarenessact.com/fluoride-offi ... lds-top-medical-journals/


I wish we would quit adding fluoride to drinking water. The only benefit it gives our teeth is what comes in contact with the teeth topically. Why would we want to ingest such an adjuvant in every drink of tap water we drink?

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Fluoride Officially Classified As A Neurotoxin In World’s Top Medical Journals
http://awarenessact.com/fluoride-offi ... lds-top-medical-journals/


I wish we would quit adding fluoride to drinking water. The only benefit it gives our teeth is what comes in contact with the teeth topically. Why would we want to ingest such an adjuvant in every drink of tap water we drink?


Because I didn't have fluoride and my teeth had holes in them from before I had fluoride in the water. Since I have only had 1 cavity.

My kids have had no cavities.....EVER..

That is a really good reason.

The amount of fluoride in tap water poses no risk. If you are concerned about the fluoride you should be frightened by the lead. While it made headlines in Michigan it is all through our country at much higher levels than fluoride.

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I’m ok with the fluoride in water as well. Certainly open to being educated on why this is wrong...but this sort of feels like the anti-vaccination thing.

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You have fluoride in tooth paste as well as mouth rinses. Why drink a poison at any level? Besides fluoride can build up in the brain over time. Certain things our body takes in and retains like heavy metals.



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ease.44-46 Since fluoride can inhibit these enzymes, even in low concentrations, there is an increased likelihood that excitotoxicity plays a significant role in this process. Likewise, it should be appreciated that Mullenix et al have shown that fluoride accumulates in various brain areas of the rat, particularly the hippocam- pus, resulting in higher fluoride levels in the brain than are seen in the blood.47 The hippocampus is one of the most sensitive areas of the brain to a multitude of neurotoxic events.
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/254a/ ... 195181a5241a3ea5adabb.pdf


Many water treatment plants use Hydrofluorosilicic Acid in the treatment process instead of pharmaceutical grade fluoride.
http://cof-cof.ca/hydrofluorosilicic-acid-origins/

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Impact of fluoride on neurological development in children
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/feat ... ns-health-grandjean-choi/


Harvard Study Confirms Fluoride Reduces Children's IQ
https://www.google.com/amp/s/articles. ... -effects-in-children.aspx

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Most of your links site Chinese studies. So we trust the Chinese 100% now? Just checking.

The links also address high dosage and not the levels in US drinking waters. As the previous poster was saying, it’s more of a positive vs. negative affects argument given the actual levels in US drinking water.

Botox makes our moms happy in the family pic...it will also kill you. That is not one conversation.

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Having been on well water for a major portion of my life I question the benefit of fluoride in drinking water.

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Likely all legitimate concerns but seems hard to get away from given all of the sources of fluoride. Like going gluten free for health reasons only to find out your medication is full of gluten.

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Likely all legitimate concerns but seems hard to get away from given all of the sources of fluoride. Like going gluten free for health reasons only to find out your medication is full of gluten.


So guessing you’re ok with China as well
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/

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You people are literally poisening yourselves every day and you just dont care.

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Likely all legitimate concerns but seems hard to get away from given all of the sources of fluoride. Like going gluten free for health reasons only to find out your medication is full of gluten.


So guessing you’re ok with China as well
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/


Not as a sole source of information...but if corroborated elsewhere, sure.

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Likely all legitimate concerns but seems hard to get away from given all of the sources of fluoride. Like going gluten free for health reasons only to find out your medication is full of gluten.


So guessing you’re ok with China as well
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/


Not as a sole source of information...but if corroborated elsewhere, sure.


You didn’t pick up on what I was laying down.

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I grew up in Cancer Valley where the DuPont plant in Washington, WV tried to poison everyone within a 25 mile radius with something called C8. Fluoride in the water was the least of our concern. My parents still live in the area and received notice last week that the company that took over the DuPont plant is putting a chemical called GenX into the water supply.

http://www.thenewscenter.tv/content/n ... 8-now-GenX-438177943.html

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Likely all legitimate concerns but seems hard to get away from given all of the sources of fluoride. Like going gluten free for health reasons only to find out your medication is full of gluten.


So guessing you’re ok with China as well
http://fluoridealert.org/issues/water/fluoridation-chemicals/


Not as a sole source of information...but if corroborated elsewhere, sure.


You didn’t pick up on what I was laying down.


Apparently so. Thanks for clarifying.

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I grew up in Cancer Valley where the DuPont plant in Washington, WV tried to poison everyone within a 25 mile radius with something called C8. Fluoride in the water was the least of our concern. My parents still live in the area and received notice last week that the company that took over the DuPont plant is putting a chemical called GenX into the water supply.

http://www.thenewscenter.tv/content/n ... 8-now-GenX-438177943.html


Yikes. Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Fluoride
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DERP!

There are plenty of reasons to mistrust municipal water, but this isn't one.


Since at least December 2015, several effectively identical stories about the neurotoxicity of fluoride have been published on a wide variety of websites with domain names like AltHealthworks.com, Energytherapy.biz, Organic and Healthy.org, and most recently in a 5 April 2018 post from AwarenessAct.com:

Evidence of how negatively fluoride can impact our health has been increasing in rapid pace throughout the past few years. People are hoping that by bringing awareness to this that somehow we can get sodium fluoride removed from the world’s water supply.

A big step has been made here recently. In the most prestigious medical journal […] known as The Lancet [,] fluoride has been at last classified as a neurotoxin one hundred percent. This puts it in the same category as things like lead, arsenic, and mercury. This news was released by the author Stefan Smyle who actually cited a report that had been published in The Lancet Neurology, Volume 13, Issue 3 […] in the March of 2014 edition.

Right off the bat, there are a number of elements that should jump out at the reader as dubious. First, studies — even ones published in prestigious journals — do not themselves “declare” or “classify” anything as a neurotoxin; governmental organizations, using published research and other data, make determinations about a chemical’s danger and regulate it accordingly.

In the United States, the Environmental Protection Agency maintains a list of chemicals approved as non-toxic under the Toxic Substances Control Act, and they regulate standards for levels of human-made and natural contaminants in water under the Safe Drinking Water Act. For food or cosmetic products, the Food and Drug Administration makes similar determinations under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act.

Second, the concept of classifying something as “one hundred percent” neurotoxic betrays the original author’s ignorance of the concept of toxicity. Toxicologists do not refer to toxicity in any way that could be represented as a percentage, instead they develop exposure guidelines and reference doses. The dose, as they say, makes the poison, and many things that are legally allowed to be in food are, in fact, neurotoxic at high enough doses.

For these reasons, the viral claim can be debunked as false without even getting into the Lancet Neurology paper cited in these stories. However, since that paper continues to be attached to these viral click traps, it is worth noting that the study itself included no new analyses about the neurotoxicity of fluoride.

The Lancet Neurology Paper

Though presented as a large-scale study revealing new toxicologic information about fluoride, this paper (which was in Lancet Neurology, not The Lancet) introduced no new data on fluoride neurotoxicity. It instead makes a broader argument that all chemicals should be considered neurotoxic to children given science’s inability to accurately or effectively assess neurotoxicity to developing brains, citing past research on fluoride as one example of a potentially harmful chemical:

To control the pandemic of developmental neurotoxicity, we propose a global prevention strategy. Untested chemicals should not be presumed to be safe to brain development, and chemicals in existing use and all new chemicals must therefore be tested for developmental neurotoxicity.

The paper itself drew fierce criticism from scientists in both industry and academia when it was first published, and Lancet Neurology ended up publishing an unusually large of number of professional responses to the study. Authored by Harvard School of Public Health professor Philippe Grandjean and Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai Professor Philip J. Landrigan, this 2014 paper is a follow up an earlier paper written by the same authors that incorporates new studies that had been conducted since then.

The entirety of new information about fluoride in the 2014 iteration of their work boils down to a single new study — a meta-review of 27 smaller scale studies published in a 2012 paper which also included Grandjean as an author. It also drew significant academic backlash and media attention. The paper was so misrepresented by some media accounts hailing it as rock-solid evidence that water fluoridation reduces the intelligence of children that the authors actually had to append a clarification notice to the press release sent out by Harvard, stating their results could not be used to assess the levels at which fluoride could become neurotoxic:

These results do not allow us to make any judgment regarding possible levels of risk at levels of exposure typical for water fluoridation in the U.S. On the other hand, neither can it be concluded that no risk is present. We therefore recommend further research to clarify what role fluoride exposure levels may play in possible adverse effects on brain development, so that future risk assessments can properly take into regard this possible hazard.

The reason that this study can not be used to draw a direct comparison the United States or to water fluoridation programs in general is because most of the studies are from China and utilize the natural variations of fluoride in groundwater, which is found in high concentration in some regions there. In many cases, the studies analyzed in the 2012 review investigate extremely high concentrations of fluoride that far exceed legal limits in the United States.

The Fluoride Argument

Further — and despite assurances by Grandjean and Landrigan to the contrary — many of the studies included in the 2012 review (which were translated from Chinese and republished in the journal Fluoride years after their original publication) do not provide anywhere near enough information to defend the claim that their documented associations between exposure to fluoride and reduced IQ are “unlikely” to be driven by another chemical in drinking water (such as arsenic) that could also have a neurologic effect. For a more detailed look at the criticisms of that 2012 study, please see our post on claims that water fluoridation can reduce a person’s intelligence quotient.

A better study to reference if one were interested in providing an argument that fluoride could have cognitive effects on developing brains would be a 2017 paper published in Environmental Health Perspectives, which demonstrates an association between prenatal fluoride exposure and reduced IQ in mother-offspring pairs in Mexico. This study, like many in the review described above, is not great for comparisons to United States water fluoridation, however. That’s because the mother-offspring pairs in this 2017 study were exposed either to naturally occurring fluoride or through fluoride added to salt, not to water. It therefore cannot be used confidently to assess the levels at which fluoride in drinking water could be neurotoxic to developing brains:

Our findings, combined with evidence from existing animal and human studies, reinforce the need for additional research on potential adverse effects of fluoride, particularly in pregnant women and children, and to ensure that the benefits of population-level fluoride supplementation outweigh any potential risks.

These preliminary findings aside, the 2014 study referenced in viral posts did not “officially declare” anything about fluoride, as it and the authors that created it have no authority to do so. It instead made a controversial argument for a more proactive approach to chemical regulation using old and potentially flawed data about fluoride. For all these reasons, we rank the claim that a new paper in The Lancet has ruled that fluoride is a neurotoxin as false.

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Yeah - keep your kids out of school for everyone's good. You sound like an alarmist that most likely doesn't vaccinate his kids.

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Yeah - keep your kids out of school for everyone's good. You sound like an alarmist that most likely doesn't vaccinate his kids.


Nope. I vaccinate. I just don't trust fluoride. Nice speculation though. Do you still use mercury thermometers and use lead based paint around your children? Flouride is literally one of the main ingredients in rodent killers and insecticides. It destroys your endocrine system, lowers testosterone. How would fluoride impact other children? It's not a vaccination.

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