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Re: Signing Day
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A few decent 3 star guys from recent years...
Daikiel Shorts
Wendell Smallwood
Daryl Worly
Kevin White
Karl Joseph
Christian Brown
Justin Crawford
Kj Dillon
Noble Nwachukwu
David Long
Kennedy Mckoy
Nick Kwiatkoski

We've had some very good 4 star guys, but we've also had plenty of these kind of 4 star guys
Ford Childress
Donte-Thomas-Williams
William Crest
Ivan McCarney
the list goes on....

I get that this class seems a bit underwhelming, but its still a solid class and I'm sure a few of these guys will pan out great and exceed expectations. We are pretty loaded at the offensive skill positions right now. We recruited some positions of need with solid talent.

Posted on: 2/3 9:56 pm
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Re: Signing Day
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I wasn't really expecting this to be a monster class anyways, we signed pretty much what I expected, defensive JUCOs, and sure'd up the offensive line as I've been wanting. This class will be fine, we have a good team based on 10 wins, and these guys will help build depth and competition for the guys until they're ready to shine.

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Re: Signing Day
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OMG....stop with the star debate. Five star is better than 1 star. Teams that have better recruits win. PERIOD

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Re: Signing Day
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But is a 4 star always better than a 3 star???


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Re: Signing Day
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People that say stars don't matter and say its a matter of opinion, just don't get it.
Given a choice would you rather take current WVU recruiting class, or just blindly take 26 of Scouts 35, 5 star recruits? I think we all know the answer.

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Re: Signing Day
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I think they should go to a system of decimal points. That way we can have a debate about whether a 3.3698 star guy is really better than a 3.3699 star guy.

Just sayin...

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Re: Signing Day
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Isn't that kind of what Rivals does with their composite rankings??

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Re: Signing Day
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Heard a guy on the radio say that the star ratings set a players bottom limits and character sets the top.

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Re: Signing Day
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I understand we've always developed kids but if you load on 4 and 5 star kids you're going to have more success it's just a fact of life. Not saying we will always get them but losing the in state kids this year was disappointing

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Re: Signing Day
Makin' it Rain
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Quote:

chubs wrote:
I understand we've always developed kids but if you load on 4 and 5 star kids you're going to have more success it's just a fact of life. Not saying we will always get them but losing the in state kids this year was disappointing


I would be willing to bet that there is an optimum percentage of 4 and 5 star players. I see these teams with a large number of 4 and 5 star recruits and watch them underachieve. I bet that a hand full of 4 and 5 stars with a larger number of 2s and 3s are probably best. 4 and 5 stars can be some prima donnas. You need a few that you have time to stroke their hair while lifting up the hungry 2 and 3 star athletes.

I don't have a problem with the rating systems evaluations but at the end of the day I also know that a TEAM can be greater than the sum of the ratings of its parts too.

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Re: Signing Day
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Texas had a bunch of 4 & 5 star players when Strong was there and he didn't have much success.

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Re: Signing Day
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The way that College Football is setup now with the playoffs, the Power 5, the CFP committee, the chances of a Tier 2 school winning National title are slim. Winning two games, possibly three (with Conference title game) in a row means you will have to play prob. at least two of the brand name teams, that every year get all the 4 and 5 star recruits with the best coaches. For example if WVU(mostly 3 star guys with maybe 10% of team 4 star guys) wins Big 12, they would prob. play Oklahoma(the whole team is basically 4 star recruits) in Big 12 conference, then prob make it as a 4 seed, which means playing Alabama(half of team is 5 star recruits), then prob. another huge football school like Ohio State if they won(but prob would lose like Washington did last season). The BCS setup was much better for a Tier 2 school. The odds are now really stacked against any school that is not one of the dozen power names.

Any team in the Group of 5 basically has zero shot of winning National title. To me the current system sucks.

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Re: Signing Day
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Completely agree with the jameschi post. So true.

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Re: Signing Day
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Sandstone56.

Aaaannnnnd that's why they fired him.

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Re: Signing Day
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Yep!

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Re: Signing Day
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I agree with jameschi too. I actually see the Power 5 naturally splitting into about 4 tiers, with only year-to-year minor movement among the tiers. The Tier 1 teams will remain Tier 1 year in and year out, even through some will experience down times. They always rebound. They are the historic blue chip college teams (Florida State, Clemson, Florida, Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, USC, and UCLA). I would predict, however, that Notre Dame is perilously close to slipping to tier 2, because of their stubborn refusal to completely identify with a conference.

Tier 2 can challenge for a national title occasionally, but they will never be consistently Tier 1. These can include Oregon, Stanford, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Tennessee, Georgia, Auburn, and Miami. Michigan State looks to be slipping down into tier 3 with the re-emergence of Michigan.

Tier 4 are the bottom feeders that will never challlenge no matter what. They include Vanderbilt, Kansas, Iowa State, Wake Forest, Boston College, Syracuse, Duke, Virginia, Indiana, Purdue, and Rutgers. They may have an occasional good year, but will never seriously challenge for a conference, let alone national title.

Everyone else, including us, is Tier 3. Washington, Louisville, and Oklahoma State seem to be the top of the tier right now, but all of that will change from season to season. A tier 3 can have a really good year and very occasionally challenge (Washington), but generally not.

By the way, the Tier 1s finished 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, 15, 16, 20, and 26 in the 24/7 recruiting rankings.

Tier 2s finished 3, 9, 13, 14, 17, 19, 23, 36, and 39.

Texas A & M and Maryland were the only ones not in tier 1 and 2 in the top 20 recruiting classes.

The rich will keep getting richer and widen the gap. If a kid wants to play for a national title, he should go tier 1, if he can. The BCS system was better for schools like WVU by far.

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Re: Signing Day

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Good article on Fox Sports.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-foot ... 7-recruiting-class-020717

With National Signing Day in the rear-view mirror, let’s take a look at the 2017 recruiting class for the WVU Football program, but also where they stack up in the Big 12.

According to 247sports.com, West Virginia’s recruiting class ranks 57th in the country. Seven teams in the Big 12 have higher-ranked classes than the Mountaineers: Oklahoma (8), Texas (26), TCU (31), Oklahoma State (38), Baylor (39), Texas Tech (51) and Iowa State (53).


Many of you are worried about this ranking – I’m here to ease your mind a bit.



Just six months ago, WVU was projected by many to finish around 8th in the the Big 12 (out of 10 teams). Those “experts” couldn’t have been more wrong, as Dana Holgorsen led the Mountaineers to a 10-3 record and a 3rd place finish in the Big 12. College football is like a revolving door with talent coming and going, though. Here are some additions to the Mountaineers.

Offense

Tevin Bush | RB
Alec Sinkfield | RB
Dominique Maiden | WR
Reggie Roberson | WR
David Sills | WR
Maverick Wolfley | FB
Kelby Wickline | T
Isaiah Hardy | T
Tyler Thurmond | T
Of the nine ‘Eers added to the offense, four are from JuCo – Maiden, Sills, Wickline and Hardy. West Virginia’s had success pulling from there, including Justin Crawford and Rasul Douglas as of late. The 6’5″ Maiden is blessed with size at receiver and has a number of success stories to emulate at his disposal. He’ll need some time to add muscle, but the skills are there. The shorter Bush and Sinkfield have their own tools to work with at running back. Bush is a real burner, with speed for days and the ability to cut on a dime. In addition to some giddy-up of his own, Sinkfield welcomes lowering his shoulder and delivering the contact. Both backs are more than just runners – they also contribute in the pass game. Wickline and Hardy will bring much-needed experience to an offensive line that lost key players to graduation, including center Tyler Orlosky. Yodny Cajuste is expected to return from injury, adding another body to the mix.

Sure, the Mountaineers didn’t bring in any 4- or 5-star recruits (according to 247sports), but the rankings are not the end-all, be-all. Notre Dame’s pulled in a top-15 class every year for the past four seasons, but only once finished with 10 wins. The Georgia Bulldogs are another university that rakes in top high school talent. Mark Richt, now the head coach at Miami, had four straight top-10 classes before getting fired. In his final six seasons, Georgia won at least 10 games in four of them; but all those stars couldn’t keep him from getting fired.

Coach Holgorsen and defensive coordinator Tony Gibson have a good thing going. They understand where to find acquirable talent that can contribute relatively early; Justin Crawford and Kyzir White are two quick examples of that. Crawford, the leading returning rusher for the Mountaineers, was the NJCAA Offensive Player of the Year before coming to WVU. White was a 4-star recruit, but followed in the footsteps of his two older brothers Kevin and Ka’Raun. They’re not all highly-touted, though – most are often overlooked – but they can play the game. Gibson added four JuCo guys to the defense for ’17, among eight high schoolers.

Defense

Derrek Pitts | DB
Kenny Robinson | DB
Hakeem Bailey | DB
Eugene Brown | DB
Exree Loe | DB
Collin Smith | DB
Ricky Johns | DB
Quondarius Qualls | LB
Ezekiel Rose | DE
Darius Stills | DT
Jalen Harvey | DT
Lamonte McDougle | DT
With these 12 defenders, the 2017 recruiting class stands at 21. Holgorsen noted on National Signing Day there could be more additions, and just the type of players they’ll be on the look out for in the coming months.

“There are four-year transfers that you typically don’t know until after spring practice. Sometimes you know now like Will Crest…Whether it is grad transfers or four-year transfers or coach (Joe) Wickline hitting all of these JuCo’s in May finding these late-out guys…Keep your eyes and ears open and you better have some room if you want to get some guys like Will Grier or Maurice Fleming.”

Fleming was a graduate-transfer after four years at Iowa. He was an instant boost to the lineup, playing in 12 of 13 games and racking up 43 tackles and nine pass deflections. Fleming joined the Mountaineers in May, just three months before the 2016 season. Crawford was another late addition, after running back Wendell Smallwood left school early for the NFL. West Virginia isn’t just taking fliers on anybody, though. These kids finish their degree here and happen to produce on Saturday’s in front of thousands.

Defensive coordinator Tony Gibson should be pleased with this year’s haul, too. Rose, Qualls and Harvey are all expected to compete on the defensive line, while the secondary added some much needed youth. Pitts, Brown, Bailey and Robinson could see time at not only defensive back and safety, but also linebacker depending on their off-season progress. Lamonte McDougle might be my favorite recruit in the 2017 class. At 6’0″, 303 lbs., McDougle has a stellar game from the defensive tackle position. His combination of power and quickness remind me of former WVU great Chris Neild. He eats up blocks and tosses away defenders like rag-dolls. I don’t expect that to happen right away, but with time he could become a prime-time player. He’s also flashed a good use of his hands, a vital attribute to a young lineman.

Holgorsen has a nice combination of youth and experience heading into the 2017 season. Not all of these young guys will play, but sitting and learning behind veterans has proven to be effective. Don’t get discouraged with the 57th-best recruiting class rank, either. It’s just a number. Who actually thought West Virginia would be coming off a 10-win season? Not the people who predicted they’d finish 8th in the Big 12. And definitely not the people who think seven Big 12 teams recruited better than the ‘Eers.

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Re: Signing Day
Grant Ave. Warrior
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8 Team playoff would be so much better, get rid of these conference championship games and just use that week for the prelims. That would actually shorten the season, winwin.

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