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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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I concur with SJ on this. I am totally against this no matter who is pushing for it. My personal life is my personal life.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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The more information that is collected from us, the greater the risk of identity theft, for one thing. This could put a serious crimp in internet commerce. And the intrusion into my life and how I spend my free time -- emphasis on FREE -- is incomprehensible in a Democracy.

Someone needs to grow a set and stand up against this.

Posted on: 2/1/2011 9:11 am
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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SaneJane,

That has been the problem over the last 30+ years. It starts innocently enough; an small intrusion here a right "re-defined" there. The next thing you know there is some guy sticking his hand down your pants before you get on a plane. For the past 15 years I have been VERY anti-government in terms of regulating things. People call me a whacko but I don't want them involved. Even when the topic is not necessarily something I care about. Sometimes I even think the topic might be a good idea but I realize we, as people, have to make a line in the sand regardless of how meaningless and say NO!!!! YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CROSS THIS LINE!!

I agree with you about internet commerce. THe government has completely killed the ability of people to move freely and quickly through air space. They have killed commerce through the ports and air (scanning of cargo) and now they want to regulate and kill commerce on the internet. Like I said in other places we need to cultivate the above not strangle it.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt

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Exactly...it's not about the fact that they won't learn anything important about most of us, it's about FREEDOM.

These are State Mottos:

Alabama - "We dare defend our rights"
Arkansas - "The people rule"
Delaware - "Liberty and Independance"
Iowa - "Our liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain"
Missouri - "Let the welfare of the people be the Supreme Law"
New Hampshire - "Live Free or Die"
New Jersey - "Liberty and prosperity"
North Dakota - "Liberty and Union, now and forever, one and inseperable"
Pennsylvania - "Virtue, Liberty and Independance"
Vermont - "Freedom and Unity"

..and the best of all...

West Virginia - "Montani Semper Liberi"




This country was founded on the ideas of LIBERTY, THE PEOPLE, and THEIR RIGHTS.



(This one doesn't apply, but I thought it hilarious...)

Maryland - "Manly deeds, womanly words"

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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Those of you of childbearing age should also know that in many areas a blood sample will be drawn from your newborn without you knowing it (Newborn Screening Saves Lives Act of 2007 (S.1858/H.R. 3825, which was signed into law in 2008). Nothing quite like adding a DNA warehouse under the guise of saving lives...

Remember, trust neither party.

Posted on: 2/1/2011 9:55 am
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt

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Really??

That's ****ed up.


Posted on: 2/1/2011 10:04 am
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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eer44fan,

Here's another one. I have 2 children that have gone/are going through elementary school. Each year they send this kit home to finger print the kids under the guise of helping find missing children. I throw the kits away and my kids just look at me. These people are playing on a parent fear to create a society where ALL people are fingerprinted. I successfully evaded fingerprinting until I was 33 and I went to work for Mellon Bank in a sensitive area.

I talked to the policeman. He was adamant that this was being done to help us?!!?! I said "Do you know how remote the chance is that your child will be taken?" When my kids are taken it is most likely that they will be taken by a parent. We are fingerprinting everyone. THat is crap. The last time I threw it away in front of the school administrator. That is just using children!

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt

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I was able to avoid getting fingerprinted until my freshman year at WVU when I was booked by the Morgantown Police Department.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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I was able to avoid getting fingerprinted until I got hired to teach high school.

Posted on: 2/1/2011 11:41 am
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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Always watch out when they say it is for your safety. My question is for whose safety? I can keep myself safe.
It is utter bullspit when they do background checks, children finger printing and the like because these are only ways of keeping track of the "good ones" the followers, the bad ones(this includes me) don't buy this crap.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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I disagree with you on the background checks, especially for people who will be working with children.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt

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Quote:

Eers88 wrote:
I was able to avoid getting fingerprinted until my freshman year at WVU when I was booked by the Morgantown Police Department.


I got ya beat by a year, lol.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
Benjamin Franklin

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.
Thomas Jefferson

And mounty, I have to agree with you but it is unfortunate that our society has devolved into this.

Remember, trust neither party.

eers and WVis, you guys were out peeing on High Street or something like that were you? lol

(I personally had the good fortune of having the University police take me home. Trying to walk down the PRT track to get downtown on Friday night is not a good thing.)

Posted on: 2/1/2011 12:14 pm
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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Quote:

MountyInSC wrote:
I disagree with you on the background checks, especially for people who will be working with children.

Why?
Do you have children?
If yes, why do you not know the people you leave your children with?
I posted recently that I do not agree with anyone or any politician when they say "this is for your own safety" and I approve this statement.
I myself have 3 children and not one of them has had their finger prints put on a piece of paper "for their safety" that is a bunch of bull spit. Most children are taken by a parent or relative. Don't get me wrong I don't want any child taken, violated or killed but a fact is a fact and my heart bleeds for any parent that has had this happen but, don't say it is for my or my child’s safety.
I myself am a volunteer with the boy scouts, been a softball coach, band parent traveling with the band on competitions and away football games for many, many years, the list goes on.
I know when someone is not right and I will take anyone to task and or report them. Guess what - in all of the years I have only had one problem and it was not a parent it was a 17 year old boy and guess what we, the parents, took care of the problem and reported him to the police. We do not need back ground checks we need responsible parents NOT dropping off the kids and doing whatever they do without the child then scream at the first indiscretion that happens. We need parents that are involved.
Get a grip with reality and realize a background check only checks to see if someone was CAUGHT. It does not prevent anything. This is where we need the involved parent not a part timer.
Wake up.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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44, if that goes into the DNA database that is a major deal people aren't aware of. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.

Do you happen to know if the DNA being added to the DNA database clause is attempting to be repealed? This is a conundrum for conservatives because there is a large contingent of law enforcement / national security among them who push for government control of citizens information. I can see them derailing any attempt to correct this overreach on our privacy.

I do support adding convicted felons DNA to the database however. Convicted of a violent felony (I am not too pleased with categorizing everything as a felony these days) loses rights to privacy and trust we should have but are losing to out of control national security zealots.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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Each year they send this kit home to finger print the kids under the guise of helping find missing children. I throw the kits away and my kids just look at me. These people are playing on a parent fear to create a society where ALL people are fingerprinted.


Recently my seven-year-old came home from school and said "Daddy, why does Grandpa USE TOBACCO?

Use tobacco. Really?

Last time I checked, cigarettes are legal. I like to drink a beer (or four)...sure I'm using alcohol. Just like people on any type of medication are "using drugs", people that drink coffee are "using caffeine"...

My point is that I don't like the schools programming my child's views on personal choice issues.

/i don't smoke
//don't like it that Grandpa smokes
///thinks that the whole thing is a parenting issue and the schools should focus on reading, writing, arithmetic...

Posted on: 2/2/2011 8:34 am
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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rd, can't find any activity to repeal. There is at least one state law on it's way to the Supreme Court, a Minnesota law. I did find some analysis on the law (don't know anything about the person cited in the following) but it seems to indicate:

Sections of the bill also make it clear that DNA may be used in genetic experiments and tests. One health care expert and prominent critic of DNA screening is Twila Brase, president of the Citizens' Council on Health Care who has written a detailed analysis (PDF) of the new law in which she warns that it represents the first program of populationwide genetic testing.

Brase states that S.1858 and H.R. 3825, the House version of the bill, will:
1. Establish a national list of genetic conditions for which newborns and children are to be tested.
2. Establish protocols for the linking and sharing of genetic test results nationwide.
3. Build surveillance systems for tracking the health status and health outcomes of individuals diagnosed at birth with a genetic defect or trait.
4. Use the newborn screening program as an opportunity for government agencies to identify, list, and study "secondary conditions" of individuals and their families.
5. Subject citizens to genetic research without their knowledge or consent.

It was summed up as saying the public is clueless about this and I think that is pretty accurate, hence no effort to repeal.

Any testing is not 100% accurate. Some people carry genetic markers that may or may not ever be expressed. I believe the term "genetic trait" is weasel wording to get at everyone; eye color and hair color are traits but not defects (unless blond lol). I am concerned that a database will be established and it could very well be used in nefarious ways.

I agree on the felon angle you bring up, especially sex offenders.

Oh, and this legislation was bipartisan. So remember, trust neither party.

Posted on: 2/2/2011 8:39 am
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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well, they're right. The public is clueless about this and so was I until you pointed it out. National security types are ramming anything they want through clueless legislators.

This would probably take a court challenge to raise enough awareness to challenge legislators on what they did and why they did it, but it would take many years to get that far to get anyone's attention.

This must have been a very camoflauged bill for very few to know what's going on with it.

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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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Well ... sounds like we ALL agree on this topic.

This crap sounds like X-Files conspiracy theories coming to life.

I don't like any of this stuff. The public school indoctrination(sp) crap really pisses me off!!!

PS - Conservatives don't like this CRAP. As a conservative, my fundamental first belief is ... Individual Rgihts and Individual Freedoms!!!

Don't know why some of you think any conservative is in favor if Government control.

Why do you think we defend our right to bear arms so strongly???

Posted on: 2/6/2011 12:48 pm
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Re: Smaller, Less Intrusive Govt
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PS - don't confuse Republican with Conservative.

There is a BIG difference these days.

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